VIDEO: David Kurtz and Brian Beutler on What a Real Opposition Party Could Look Like

We are more than a decade into the Trump era. To assess the damage caused by his two terms and how, exactly, we got here, TPM’s David Kurtz was joined on Substack Live by TPM friend and founding member of our DC office, Brian Beutler, who now writes the Off Message newsletter.

In a wide-ranging conversation, David and Brian discussed Trump’s propaganda campaign surrounding his war in Iran; how the Democrats could act as a true opposition party; and what the United States might look like in January 2027 or 2029, depending on the outcome of the next two rounds of federal elections.

Check out their full live performance below.