UK and France agree pilot ‘one in, one out’ returns scheme designed to curb migrant boat crossings – UK politics live | Politics

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Starmer confirms ‘ground-breaking returns pilot’ scheme will start operating in coming weeks

Starmer moves to illegal migration.

This is a global crisis, he says. But it is also “acutely” a crisis for UK and France.

An enterprise run by criminals is leading hundreds of people to their deaths in the Channel.

They have agreed “a ground-breaking returns pilot”.

He says, in exchange for every migrant returned, another migrant will be allowed to enter the UK legally. This will be subject to strict checks, and only available to people who have not tried to enter the UK illegally.

This will be implemented in the coming weeks.

Some people will ask – why take anyone?

But it is right to offer haven to people in dire need, Starmer says.

But he says there is another point – the government has to show it can work with others on this.

He thanks Macron for his support for the French police using tougher measures to stop boats leaving.

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Starmer cites small boats deal as example of why ‘social democracy’ can get better results than ‘performative politics’ of Farage

Starmer and Macron are now taking questions.

Q: [From ITV’s Robert Peston] Will this pilot scheme really have any deterrent effect? In French, he asks Macron how much money France is getting for this deal. And, back in English, he says Starmer and Macron are both centrists. Do they have any survival tips for centrists in this environment.

Starmer says the point about this is that it is “a pilot to break the [business] model” of people smugglers.

He says he and Macron have agreed this because they have cooperated, “through serioius diplomacy”.

Macron says France and the UK have agreements that are already effective. He says for every £1 the UK puts in to tackling small boats, France spends €3.

He again says Brexit made the illegal migration problem worse for the UK.

One third of illegal immigrants in Schengen countries are people who want to come to the UK, he says. He suggests that is why an EU-wide scheme is needed.

And, on the final part of the question, Macron says populists offer voters simple solution. He cites Brexit as an example. Did it solve the UK’s problems? No.

After Brexit, people thought it was over for centrists. They say policy is compicated. But that turned out not to be the case, he says.

And Starmer says, on this point, achieving results by quiet diplomacy is the mission of his government.

Going back to migration, he says this is a problem around the world. It requires a serious, pragmatic response, not performative politics.

He says, while he and Macron have been working hard, others have just been “taking pictures”. That is a reference to Nigel Farage.

He says it is really important that social democracy shows it has the answers.

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